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	<title>Comments on: CNET code now uses Mootools 1.1</title>
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	<description>Making stuff work on the other side of the request.</description>
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		<title>By: Aaron N.</title>
		<link>http://clientside.cnet.com/cnet-js-standards/cnet-code-now-uses-mootools-11/#comment-11779</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 06:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Beginner,

I think that your request is quite valid. CNET isn't going to host it - that's just not our gig. We're CNET. We spend our time making CNET, not teaching the world to write javascript. Everything I write here is FOR CNET. We make it public because, well, other people might find it useful, but we don't write our code for anyone else but us. We get benefits from making it public (you guys have found more bugs in my code than I care to mention), but we're not here to support anyone but our network.

As for the Mootools forum, it has a specific purpose, and the problem is that beginners don't seem to ever bother to look for that purpose before they post. The purpose of the forums there are to talk about Mootools. To develop for Mootools, to talk about bugs, to share what we're working on, to discuss technique and suggest changes. It's not to teach people javascript.

The only kind of post that we tend to react negatively to are posts that demonstrate a lack of interest to even try a *little* before asking for help.

Here's a great example of the kind of post I'm talking about:
http://forum.mootools.net/viewtopic.php?id=3242

We get these posts ALL THE TIME. People who just expect magic to happen if they download Mootools. These people aren't even trying. This and posts from people just saying "Accordion doesn't work!" What are we supposed to do there? On the other hand, check out this poster:
http://forum.mootools.net/viewtopic.php?id=3239
or this one
http://forum.mootools.net/viewtopic.php?id=3156

These are people who have looked at the mootorial here on clientside. They've read through the docs. They aren't total javascript noobs.

I was a javascript noob once, too. But there are tons of places online to help you learn to write the stuff.

Don't be afraid to post on the forums. Just ask questions that demonstrate that you've read the materials that we've provided at least a little, that you've searched the forum for the problem you're having to see if it's been previously discussed, and, if not, post a detailed question with an example of your first attempt. Even if your first attempt isn't very good, we'll help if we can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beginner,</p>
<p>I think that your request is quite valid. CNET isn&#8217;t going to host it - that&#8217;s just not our gig. We&#8217;re CNET. We spend our time making CNET, not teaching the world to write javascript. Everything I write here is FOR CNET. We make it public because, well, other people might find it useful, but we don&#8217;t write our code for anyone else but us. We get benefits from making it public (you guys have found more bugs in my code than I care to mention), but we&#8217;re not here to support anyone but our network.</p>
<p>As for the Mootools forum, it has a specific purpose, and the problem is that beginners don&#8217;t seem to ever bother to look for that purpose before they post. The purpose of the forums there are to talk about Mootools. To develop for Mootools, to talk about bugs, to share what we&#8217;re working on, to discuss technique and suggest changes. It&#8217;s not to teach people javascript.</p>
<p>The only kind of post that we tend to react negatively to are posts that demonstrate a lack of interest to even try a *little* before asking for help.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a great example of the kind of post I&#8217;m talking about:<br />
<a href="http://forum.mootools.net/viewtopic.php?id=3242" rel="nofollow">http://forum.mootools.net/viewtopic.php?id=3242</a></p>
<p>We get these posts ALL THE TIME. People who just expect magic to happen if they download Mootools. These people aren&#8217;t even trying. This and posts from people just saying &#8220;Accordion doesn&#8217;t work!&#8221; What are we supposed to do there? On the other hand, check out this poster:<br />
<a href="http://forum.mootools.net/viewtopic.php?id=3239" rel="nofollow">http://forum.mootools.net/viewtopic.php?id=3239</a><br />
or this one<br />
<a href="http://forum.mootools.net/viewtopic.php?id=3156" rel="nofollow">http://forum.mootools.net/viewtopic.php?id=3156</a></p>
<p>These are people who have looked at the mootorial here on clientside. They&#8217;ve read through the docs. They aren&#8217;t total javascript noobs.</p>
<p>I was a javascript noob once, too. But there are tons of places online to help you learn to write the stuff.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be afraid to post on the forums. Just ask questions that demonstrate that you&#8217;ve read the materials that we&#8217;ve provided at least a little, that you&#8217;ve searched the forum for the problem you&#8217;re having to see if it&#8217;s been previously discussed, and, if not, post a detailed question with an example of your first attempt. Even if your first attempt isn&#8217;t very good, we&#8217;ll help if we can.</p>
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		<title>By: Beginner</title>
		<link>http://clientside.cnet.com/cnet-js-standards/cnet-code-now-uses-mootools-11/#comment-11769</link>
		<dc:creator>Beginner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 03:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any chance CNET or someone else will put up a Mootools forum? The one on the Mootools site is friendly only to experts, and turns a lot of people off:
http://codeigniter.com/forums/viewthread/47836/

I'm too afraid to ask for help there, and I really need to ask some questions.  A forum somewhere that won't shut down my post and insult me at the same time would be nice.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any chance CNET or someone else will put up a Mootools forum? The one on the Mootools site is friendly only to experts, and turns a lot of people off:<br />
<a href="http://codeigniter.com/forums/viewthread/47836/" rel="nofollow">http://codeigniter.com/forums/viewthread/47836/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m too afraid to ask for help there, and I really need to ask some questions.  A forum somewhere that won&#8217;t shut down my post and insult me at the same time would be nice.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron N.</title>
		<link>http://clientside.cnet.com/cnet-js-standards/cnet-code-now-uses-mootools-11/#comment-11732</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 15:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm working on it off and on this week. I'm about half way through it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working on it off and on this week. I&#8217;m about half way through it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Howdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 07:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there, have you updated the Mootorial yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there, have you updated the Mootorial yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Nima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 18:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome! Love your library man, keep up the amazing work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome! Love your library man, keep up the amazing work.</p>
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